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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

I appreciate that Revenue Scotland has a role, and it is directly accountable to Parliament.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

Okay. I am happy to take that away.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

That is a fair point. I am not suggesting that migration is a silver bullet—it is part of a broader range of measures. If we are going to consider intra-UK migration, it is important that we also look at employment levels across the UK. Some of the challenges we face with skills shortages and a tight labour market are not unique to Scotland but are UK wide, which creates challenges in that sphere.

You referred to the high street and the changing nature of retail. As Parliament will be aware, a retail strategy is to be published shortly, so I cannot pre-empt that, but it has grown out of a piece of work that was done in collaboration with business, academia, trade unions, the third sector and the public sector. We are also undertaking work in partnership with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities on our updated town centre action plan, which came out of an independent review.

As for the policy interventions that Government can make, whether they be in the national strategy on economic transformation, the retail strategy, our town centre action plan or, in the longer term, national planning framework 4 and the work we are seeking to do on the planning system, we can pull a range of policy levers, but there is no single lever that can address all those issues in one fell swoop. I hope that that captures my point that although there is a range of different initiatives, there are, ultimately, limits to what we can do with the existing suite of powers that we have at our disposal. The main macroeconomic levers, employment law and so on are still reserved to Westminster, so we have to operate within those limitations.

The question that you have asked goes much broader than the framework for tax, which is what we are considering at this meeting. A broader range of work is going on that will ultimately help increase productivity and prosperity in a way that will translate into earnings and increased tax take.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

It is not our policy to have a revaluation of council tax at this time. We have a commitment through the joint agreement with the Scottish Green Party to have a deliberative process that will culminate in a citizens assembly looking at sources of funding for local government, including council tax, which will be delivered in this session of Parliament. It is a priority for me as public finance minister, and we are taking forward that work.

Ultimately, it will be for Parliament to respond—Government will of course respond, too—to what the citizens assembly concludes should succeed council tax or what should change in council tax. Ahead of that, we can provide certainty and continuity with our existing arrangements on council tax. Once the citizens assembly has had the opportunity to consider the matter in detail, we can take on board those recommendations and move forward from there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

As you will appreciate, the Scottish Government’s view is that this Parliament should enjoy the full fiscal levers that an independent country would enjoy. Short of that, we have had some devolution, and we have highlighted three areas—income tax, national insurance and VAT—in which we think there can be further devolution.

Ultimately, in going through the section 80B mechanism, the UK Government would have to make a judgment as to whether it felt that any new national tax in Scotland would impact on the wider UK economy. That is where the challenge would arise.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

That is because it is about how one specific tax operates. The tax framework is designed to be a high-level and accessible document that will inform people and provide transparency on how we take decisions.

For example, if we were do a deep dive into the operation of the fiscal framework and block grant adjustments for income tax, it would necessitate doing the same across every single tax that is referred to in the tax framework. As such, the document would go from being a concise high-level document that seeks to provide clarity to being quite a dense one, which, ultimately, would not realise its stated purpose.

Of course, there is voluminous material on the operation of the fiscal framework. We set out income tax policy as part of the budget and we have a specific debate in Parliament on the rates resolution, so there is an opportunity for fuller consideration. We are transparent about how we engage with the UK Government on the upcoming review of the fiscal framework. I take the point, but, ultimately, if we went into huge detail in the document on the operation of the fiscal framework, it would start to lose its overall purpose.

Alex Doig might have an insight into what consideration was given, in the development of the tax framework, to what was included and what was not included, which might help to elucidate some of the points that I am trying to make.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

As you will be aware, there was a review of business rates in England. Ultimately, that review recommended that England should start doing things that we are already doing up here, short of revaluation cycles, such as implementing something like the business growth accelerator. That is an example of a neighbouring jurisdiction that has considered the issue and did not land on a proposition that involved fundamental and wholesale reform.

We have made a manifesto commitment to consider an online sales tax. I appreciate that a request for that has been made by people who operate in the retail context, given the difficulties that our town centres and high streets have been facing. Various calls have been made to level the playing field—that is not language that I would use, but that is how it has been characterised by some stakeholders. However, we must also be cognisant of the work that the UK Government is doing in this area, as there is the potential for a UK-wide digital sales tax.

To go back to the original point about NDR, we have to get to the point of revaluation and let the Barclay review bed in. We are considering how we will respond to the key points that were identified by the Fraser of Allander Institute, but we recognise that having the data in place would allow a more informed discussion of potential options for further reform. What we are talking about is a first step.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

This relates in the first instance to how the document itself—which I have described as a foundation document—was created. There was extensive consultation. There was a pre-consultation process with Revenue Scotland and other parties; we had the public consultation over September and October; and, following that, we had further engagement with stakeholders, including Revenue Scotland, to refine the proposals in the framework. As a result, the framework reflects that extensive engagement.

Let me give you one or two specific examples of our process of engagement. One of the commitments in the work programme relates to the additional dwelling supplement review, which is under way at the moment. We have undertaken a public consultation, which closed earlier this month, and we have also had significant engagement with stakeholders at official and ministerial levels, with a round-table discussion at the start of this month that I chaired. We will respond fully to that process during the summer.

That is an example of what is happening in one area. Another area of the work programme—and one that reflects the joint agreement between the Scottish Government and the Scottish Green Party—is council tax, with the establishment of a working group to look at deliberative processes, culminating in a citizens assembly to look at the resourcing of local government, including council tax itself. It is an example of engagement of the widest possible kind, and I hope that what I have said demonstrates the wide array of ways in which we are taking forward our commitment to transparency and engagement with the people of Scotland on how we design tax policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

Is there a specific aspect of evaluation that you are concerned about, or is it just evaluation overall of how the framework—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Tom Arthur

With the wellbeing economy, we are committed to the wellbeing economy metrics. The national performance framework is published online and routinely updated to demonstrate performance against the national outcomes. With stable revenues, we have a process of reporting through outturns, consolidated accounts and the budget process.

I appreciate that, ultimately, responsiveness to societal shifts is reflected as and when it happens, and that it depends on what the policy response is. Perhaps it is slightly more challenging to evaluate that, but in the other areas—stable revenues, the national performance framework, and the wellbeing economy, for which we will develop metrics—clear data will be provided to allow any individual, organisation or indeed Parliament to evaluate those independently. That also allows Government to evaluate the performance of tax. Those means of evaluation exist independently of the framework.