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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Mark Lodge, will local authorities that do not cover national parks be at a disadvantage in that, although they will have to make the same efforts to ensure that targets are met, they might not receive the funding that national parks receive?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I will ask a final question about part 1 of the bill. What are your expectations on consultation prior to the first set of targets being introduced? We are not quite sure about the timing of their introduction. I believe that a 12-month period is specified, but there is nothing that suggests that a public consultation will be required. From the perspectives of national parks and local authorities, what level of consultation should take place before the first targets are set?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

The national parks have a framework or template for consultation because they consult quite regularly. However, for local authorities, does the bill need to set out exactly how the Government should consult the public, or do they have a clear idea of how consultation should be carried out?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

National parks were landscape designations, and they focused on biodiversity. What happens when it comes to renewables and plans for 210m turbines? This may not be about non-regression, but, if independent reporters suggest that an impact is unacceptable, should the Government be able to overrule them? Should the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill deal with that sort of impact? As far as I understand it, national parks do not have any wind farms but there will be times when they have to deal with applications for overhead power lines and so on. Given that there is a race to having ever more renewables in our rural landscape, if nothing is set out and if there are none of the safeguards that Grant Moir touched on, do we need to focus a bit more on scenarios where Government ministers can effectively overturn independent EIAs? My question, which may be for Mark Lodge as well, is whether there should be some sort of safeguard or an explanation of the pros and cons of an application being approved.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I am very conscious of the time—you have been very generous with yours—but I would like to ask a couple of questions before we close the evidence session. I will ask them all together.

The bill seeks to amend the National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000, so we have had legislation on national parks for 25 years, but there has not been a full review of the effectiveness of national parks over those 25 years. There is annual reporting, but there has not been a significant review of performance, with a cost benefit analysis, to see whether things could be done differently. Given that a number of proposals in the consultation are not being taken forward, we have a new climate change plan and we have the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024—a whole lot is going on—is this the wrong time to be introducing new legislation on national parks?

A designation process is also being carried out in parallel to consideration of the bill. We are asking people in Galloway to comment on national parks, but they are not sure what the legislation will look like if the designation of a national park is made. Is this the wrong time to be introducing the bill? Should we have carried out a review and considered the other pieces of legislation that are coming forward before potentially revisiting amendments to the 2000 act in the future?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I appreciate that.

That concludes our evidence session. I thank the witnesses for being so generous with their time. We have run considerably over the time that we thought we would need, so we appreciate their attendance.

11:29 Meeting continued in private until 11:50.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I am minded to suspend the meeting for five minutes for a comfort break. We will resume at 10 past 10.

10:03 Meeting suspended.  

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent—that includes mine, which is pinging away. We have received apologies from Ariane Burgess and Tim Eagle. I welcome Mark Ruskell, who is attending as Ariane Burgess’s substitute.

The first item on our agenda is a declaration of relevant interests by Mark Ruskell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will move on to questions on part 3 of the bill, which is on national parks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will move on to a question from Beatrice Wishart.