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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee (Annual Progress Report)

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I will drill down into a specific area. The Scottish Government recently published its catch-up report—“Report on proposals and policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions following annual target for 2019 not being met”—in which it set out various proposals and policies to compensate for the excess emissions as a result of the missed target in 2019. Yesterday, I got a letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport—I appreciate that you will not have seen it—in which he said:

“We are also confident that the additional policies included in our ... Catch-Up Report will more than exceed the 2.7Mt from the missed annual target”.

Does the catch-up report contain adequate policies to mitigate 2.7 metric tonnes of CO2 equivalent? Even if the policies are there, will they deliver?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee (Annual Progress Report)

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful, convener. Good morning, gentlemen.

I will pick up on your progress report, in which you say, about the climate change plan update, that you

“have not been able to establish whether and how policies and proposals add up to the required emissions reductions.”

Does the Scottish Government now have the right tools and models to quantify how the policies that you have talked about

“add up to the required emissions reductions”?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I will be as brief as possible. I have two direct questions for Erik Dalhuijsen. First, Oil & Gas UK’s “Energy Transition Outlook 2021” reports that there is a total capacity to hold 78 billion tonnes of CO2 under the North Sea and the Irish Sea. As I understand it, that is approximately 190 times greater than the UK’s annual emissions of 400 million tonnes. Even if we were to accept all the concerns that you have raised, given those figures, ought we to be not only exploring carbon capture, utilisation and storage but ramping it up, rather than holding back?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I will be brief and direct a question to Alan James, who just talked about emissions. In Erik Dalhuijsen’s written submission to the committee, he said that we need

“98% to 100% capture efficiency … to achieve net-zero emissions when dealing with fossil carbon.”

He suggested that capture efficiency was currently running at about 60 per cent. Is he right on one or both of those assertions? In any event, how might we anticipate efficiency improving over time?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I have a very brief question arising from the remarks that we have just heard. Professor Haszeldine, can you confirm that the selection criteria were all known about and set out very clearly in advance, that all the interested parties for the programmes pitched against those criteria and that the scores were allocated against those criteria? I just want to be clear on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

You mentioned direct air capture. I met Carbon Engineering Ltd last week and it introduced me to that idea. I found that pretty exciting, because it sounded as though, in effect, you take excess carbon emissions from the air and sequester them. Is that right? If so, is it not game changing for what we can achieve in keeping heating as low as possible?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that answer. I have no further questions at this stage, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Carbon Capture, Utilisation and Storage

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Liam Kerr

Moving on, I will focus on figures again, because that seems to be what we have to work with. We have spoken a lot about hydrogen and your concern about creating fossil fuels. The International Energy Agency has various scenarios in which it anticipates that hydrogen will meet 10 per cent of global energy consumption by 2050. The IEA seems to suggest that 40 per cent of that hydrogen will come from natural gas facilities that are equipped with CCUS—that is, blue hydrogen. If that is right, does it not suggest that the technology must proceed to ensure that we get to the hydrogen economy that I think most of us are looking to get towards?