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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Yoshiko, do you want to comment on that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Is that one of the things that the project board is charged with addressing? If, as you say, the situation is complicated and there are different streams, which I presume are going at different rates at different times, it becomes difficult to understand whether there is proper resourcing. You talk about the need for a national measurement framework, which does not currently exist. I presume that that would help to pull some of this together, would it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Before we finish up, Auditor General, I note that, in the very final section of the briefing, you say something that has been a thread running through this morning’s evidence. The expression that you use is that

“The ASL Project Board has made limited progress”.

We have had a number of questions on that area. You set out that the ASL board was charged with implementing or having oversight over a 76-point action plan and that 40 of the 76 action points have been achieved or completed. The question that is in the air is: what about the 36 action points that have not been fully implemented? What are they and what progress has been made with them?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We will explore the issues around the gaps in the data more over the course of the morning.

I have a question about SEEMiS, the education management information system that is mentioned in the briefing. It struck me that some of the definitions are quite broad. One pupil in four needs additional support for learning due to

“social, emotional and behavioural difficulties”,

and there is a calculation that around 10 per cent of pupils require ASL for “other” needs, without it being specified what those needs are.

How does having such broad definitions and uncategorised groups in the system affect the ability to target, plan and resource properly to affect the outcomes, which is what we are interested in?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

It will not be regulating things itself.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Would they have any powers of enforcement, for example?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

What should the balance be between the two?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Earlier, you mentioned the case of the Ethical Standards Commissioner from a couple of years ago that led you to lodge in the Parliament two section 22 reports, which are, in layman’s terms, reports on when things are going wrong. Can you tell us a bit more about that and say whether earlier interventions could have been made to prevent things from getting to the stage at which you, as the Auditor General, had to lodge those reports in the Parliament?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Have lessons been learned from that in relation to the way in which the corporate body oversees the performance of commissions and commissioners?