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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

In the interests of time, I will ask just one question that I have put to the existing commissions and commissioners. To what extent do you consider the proposed commissioners that you have in mind to be regulatory commissioners or advocacy commissioners, and to what extent do you see their role as being reactive rather than proactive?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

But you see your proposal as being primarily an advocacy commission.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. I will bring in Sarah Boyack.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Can you give me percentages?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Give me a percentage, Colin.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. In your written submission and in your answers to Lorna Slater, you referred to the Crerar review, which set out the purpose and the benefits of audit—namely:

“independent assurance that services are well-managed, safe and fit-for-purpose, and that public money is being used properly.”

Are those principles being fully applied in the case of the commissioner bodies that the committee is reviewing?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

To go back to the question of proportionateness, I put to you the evidence that we heard from the Scottish Information Commissioner, who characterised the situation around audit as being

“a never-ending cycle of constant audit for us”.—[Official Report, SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee, 20 February 2025; c 16.]

Do you recognise that characterisation?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you—that is helpful.

I put the same question to Colin Smyth.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

On the question about an advocacy role versus a regulatory role, what do you think the balance would likely be?