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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I will delve into that a bit more. I seem to remember that, when I started in the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee in 2016, we were looking at the concessionary bus travel scheme, which cost about £193 million. I think that we are progressing now to that being £405 million this year, which is a huge chunk of money. That has come at some expense, because the network support grant has reduced from £48 million a year to about £13 million a year.

People in areas where there are buses are able to access concessionary fares, whereas people in rural areas where there are fewer buses—or no buses—are less able to access concessionary fares because operators are not getting the network support grant. Do you think that we have got that right, Robert Samson?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take in private item 4, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear on Scotland’s train and bus services, and item 5, which is consideration of our approach to a legislative consent memorandum on the Planning and Infrastructure Bill?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I want to come back to Greig MacKay. The service works well for someone who is travelling between Edinburgh and Glasgow, but someone who is going to Edinburgh from Wick, for example, has to rely on their first bus meeting the next bus, and that bus meeting the next bus, which is the one that actually takes them to Edinburgh, all within a timescale that suits them. If we cannot make all the buses work together, the system will not work. It will work for people going from Edinburgh to Glasgow—that is simple—but do you agree that there is an issue on the more rural and exposed routes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I will bring Kevin Stewart in briefly. Kevin, please direct your question to one person, because we would like to get to the other two witnesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

That neatly brings us to the end of this witness session. I thank the witnesses for giving evidence and for travelling here on various modes of transport, from buses to trains—or, in Greig MacKay’s case, for participating remotely.

I suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:39 Meeting suspended.  

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Sue Webber wants to come in. Douglas’s approach was to ask multiple questions. I ask that you just put one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Jackson Cullinane, do you want to come in? Sorry for cutting off Kevin Lindsay, who wants to come in on that question, but I promised to bring in Jackson. I have to keep my promises, but then I will come to you, Kevin.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I certainly heard about integrated ticketing in 2016. I think that Stewart Stevenson, who had been a transport minister, brought it up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand, Kevin. We want a better railway. All that I am trying to say is that the performance targets that we have been given are not being reached. We seem to be spending more money on the railway but getting fewer services. That is what I am trying to equate it to. Gordon, do you want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I am using three.