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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Liz Smith

I want to turn your attention to the client experience of disability benefits. Quoting the “Measuring Our Charter” results, the excellent SPICe briefing, to which you have already referred, says that

“those in receipt of ADP and CDP were much less likely to say”

that

“they got”

sufficient

“updates, that the application”

process

“was easy to understand”,

that they answered relevant questions as part of it, and that the application was

“processed within a reasonable time.”

We have been over that last point, but I want to focus on the application process itself. In the current budget, £450 million is being spent on child disability benefit, and that figure is projected to go up to £618 million in the next budget, an increase of 37 per cent. Why is there such an increase when, as it says in our papers, people are finding the application process quite difficult?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Liz Smith

I am sorry to interrupt, but are you talking about May 2024?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Liz Smith

I just want to interrogate that further. Are you saying that the reason for the very substantial increase in the amount of money that is having to be disbursed to those receiving, in this case, child disability payment is that the process is much longer and more problematic, as you have just described, or is it that far more families with children are making the application? That is an important distinction when we look at the policy’s effectiveness.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

Does the same principle not apply to adult disability payment? The Scottish Government has been clear that the same principles are supposed to apply for both disability benefits. Your answer does not explain the huge difference between the 11 per cent and 37 per cent increases.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

Generally speaking, there is good cross-party agreement on the principles. The real issue is deciding how effective payments are and addressing the specific problems that have manifested in the welfare system.

The Scottish Government has made its views known strongly, for good reasons or bad reasons, about the mitigation of the two-child cap—that is not new, and it has been on-going for some time. Why did you decide to introduce mitigation for the two-child cap now, which did not meet the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s deadline for working on the budget? Why did the SFC have to come back last week to say that its projections were for £155 million in 2026-27, which would increase to £198 million in 2029-30?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

Yes, and in the foreseeable future, because the Scottish Fiscal Commission has provided forecasts right up to 2029-30.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

Have you been able to work out the increase in those costs? Obviously, Parliament cannot do anything about them—we have to accept them, as those are the market prices for office accommodation and hotel accommodation. Has a percentage increase been built into projections for future budgets?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

I will turn our attention to social security budgets. The child disability payment budget is £450 million at the moment, and the costs are to go up to £618 million in 2025-26, which is an increase of 37 per cent. Will you outline why there is such an extensive increase in that budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

I will finish with the direct question that I asked your colleague Shirley-Anne Somerville last Thursday. The Scottish Government is arguing that its policy choices are about investment, and I presume that the return on that investment will be due not in the forthcoming budget but in years ahead. Where is the money coming from to fund the substantial increase in social security?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

Where is the money coming from? I accept that it is about priorities, with which I might disagree, but where is the money coming from to fund the immediate considerable uplift?