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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

Minister, I do not have any issues with the order that you have set out. However, it raises issues that we have been wrestling with in the committee for a long time, and our predecessor committee—the Finance and Constitution Committee—in the previous session of Parliament was doing exactly the same. We are all struggling to get a handle on what the criteria are for measuring public sector reform.

I have heard you and Shona Robison say in the chamber several times that there has been quite a lot of improvement in the efficiency of public services. It is not easy to see that, and I think that you would probably agree. Do you have any way of helping the committee to know what criteria we should be looking for to see how well we are advancing with public sector reform?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

It is a big question, because we are responsible for scrutinising public money. If aspects of public sector reform are working particularly well in saving public money and delivering better outcomes, it is important to the Parliament and the committee to demonstrate that. I am interested in how Scottish ministers or civil servants can provide some of the data that we need to scrutinise that a bit more, because, if we could do that, it could go a long way towards improving how the Parliament works and giving the public some confidence that public sector reform is working.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

When is that data—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

You said that an update was coming.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

Before I ask my main questions, I will go back to the convener’s questions about data. Do you have any evidence that the fact that your bill is in existence means that the availability of data is improving? It is by no means complete, as you have rightly said—I speak as someone who also has a member’s bill in Parliament and has lacked data to work with. Do you have any evidence that we are getting better data because you are addressing the issues through your bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

That sounds positive.

Following your opening remarks, the convener asked you about Dame Carol Black’s comment that every £1 that is spent might get a £4 return due to reduced spending in justice and health services, which is obviously encouraging. Paragraph 94 of your financial memorandum refers to a Public Health Scotland figure from 2009, which put the cost of illicit drug use at £3.5 billion at a time when drug use was less than it is, sadly, today. Drug use is higher now, so the costs will be higher. Do you therefore consider that savings might also be much higher as a result of that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Liz Smith

I have a technical question, cabinet secretary. I put on record that I do not have any issues with the instruments, as they are.

A point that has regularly come out at the Finance and Public Administration Committee is the issue of whether the consumer prices index or the retail prices index measure is used, as that obviously has an impact on forecasting. In your discussions with the finance secretary and the Scottish Fiscal Commission, are you trying to get some consistency in relation to the use of those measures, because it obviously matters a lot to the level of payment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you for the kind comment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Liz Smith

The “Scottish Government Guide to the Autumn Budget Revision” makes it clear that there is no change in the overall funding situation—that is fine. However, somebody in Perth or Dunfermline might want to know when the reprofiling will happen. Are you able to give us any guidance on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Liz Smith

Right. I do not think that I have seen that information, and nor have some of my colleagues. If you could provide it, that would be very helpful.

Am I right in thinking that the separate £6 million that the guide highlights relates to very specific projects within some of the deals? Is that correct? I am looking at paragraph 59 of the Scottish Government’s guide, which says that there are

“Separately £6 million of project specific City Deal transfers”.

I presume that, if we take away the £6 million from the £43.7 million, we get the £37.7 million. Is that correct?