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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Liz Smith

One thing that struck me during the first wave of Covid was how magnificently well our hospitals responded to the intense pressure that was on them. I heard more than once that that was down to the fact that doctors and nurses were taking the front-line decisions about how the Covid wards had to be organised, rather than some of the people who are normally associated with the administration of health services. That is particularly relevant to the running of Scotland. To what extent do we need to move towards a system of accountability that is more in the hands of the people who run the front-line services, rather than those of the people who administer services?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

In the £30.2 million in the education budget, there is £20 million for post-Covid improvements. Can you break that down a little, minister? Is that specific to any sector in education? I do not see very much for higher education spending.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

I might be on a different page. It is on page 13 of the Scottish Parliament information centre briefing. Under the heading “COVID-19 AND OTHER FUNDING CHANGES” are social justice, finance and the economy, and there is a section for education and skills that contains £20 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

I am most interested in how we empower local communities. As you rightly said, Professor Mitchell, in the little podcast in which you were interviewed by Professor Roy, if we are going to get local communities to deliver well, they have to feel empowered and trusted. I am particularly interested in trust because, let us be honest, we are not in a very good place at the moment for politics and trust—my party has some responsibility for that.

I worry that, due to the pandemic, our Governments have become more interventionist and have had to take more decisions as a state, partly out of necessity and partly out of design, and that that has made it more difficult for local communities to feel empowered. Is it possible for local communities to become imbued with trust if we have Governments that are a bit more interventionist?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

When it comes to health boards, for example, one of the things that was extremely impressive in the first wave of Covid was how well hospitals coped with the intense pressure at that time. I heard more than once that that was because doctors and other clinicians took charge of how wards were organised to look after people with Covid and those who did not have it but nonetheless had very serious issues. On schools, I heard that, because teachers were in charge of their schools instead of being at the behest of a lot of Government edicts, they got on better.

What I am interested in—and I think that you are, too—is whether, if that continues into the future, it will mean that our Governments will have to be less statist in their approach. Will they have to free up or perhaps devolve some areas to local authorities so that our Governments can get on with the business of governing? Instead of taking a bureaucratic, top-down and do-as-I-say approach, they can work on a free-thinking level. Am I correct in my interpretation of your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

Yes. I am interested in the strong commitment that the Scottish Government gave on extra medical places five years ago. It said that, in the intervening five-year period, we would have those extra 190 places in medical schools. I am interested in whether that £5.2 million is part of that commitment or is something new.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

Yes.

Education has been prioritised as a big part of the recovery—certainly according to many of the witnesses who have attended the committee. That is quite a large chunk of money within the education and skills portfolio, so I am interested to know whether it is for the further and higher education budget. If I could get some information on that, I would be grateful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

I have two questions for clarification. One of the transfers from the health and social care budget to education and skills is £5.2 million in respect of additional medical student places. Is that for the 190 extra medical places that the Scottish Government said in 2016 would be provided by 2021?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Liz Smith

That is on page 13 of our paper, under “Education and Skills”. There is a total of £30.2 million, and there is a line for

“Additional funding to support Education Recovery”.

What does that consist of?