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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you, convener. I apologise to you, cabinet secretary, but I am to give evidence to another committee at 10.15, so I will have to leave early. I am not walking out on you, but I will have to leave in order to present evidence in committee room 3.

I will begin on the topic of child disability payments, for which there is currently 拢450 million in this year鈥檚 budget. The statistics that we are being given for next year鈥檚 budget show that it will go up to 拢618 million, which is an increase of 37 per cent鈥攚hich, I have to say, is a very considerable increase.

Will you comment on why there is such a substantial increase in that part of the budget over the course of just one year, especially when adult disability payments are going up by around 11 per cent and when the 37 per cent is far in excess of what is happening elsewhere in the UK?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

The Fiscal Commission has said that the number of people who are not coming off the case load is quite substantial. Is that a concern to the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

Mr Boyle, I refer back to Mr Marra鈥檚 earlier questions, when he鈥攓uite rightly鈥攆ocused on some of the concerns that we have as a committee about how we seem to be standing still. Your report 鈥淔iscal sustainability and reform in Scotland鈥濃攑articularly in paragraph 6, in which you say that you have difficulty in being able to scrutinise some aspects of the fiscal situation because you are missing documents and there is not enough transparency鈥攅ncapsulates our frustrations. We have heard similar concerns from the Scottish Fiscal Commission. This committee has issued several reports over recent years setting out our real, serious difficulty in relation to the lack of transparency and accountability. Do you think that Parliament having a finance bill, which obviously we do not have right now, might help with transparency and accountability?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

I have, but because we are not making any progress, I want to ask it again.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

That is an interesting point, because there is a difference between having the right data available and scrutinising that data. Do you think that there are problems in both departments? Namely, is there some data lacking that we really must have to hand to enable us to be more effective in our budget scrutiny, or is there something lacking in the scrutiny process, or is it perhaps both?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

They are linked.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

There is pressure in upward costs. What you have cited raises costs. Balancing that against greater efficiencies is not easy, I am sure, but it is a key point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

There is a frustration, Mr Boyle. As the convener said, we have highlighted the issue several times in our reports. Mr Marra commented that Audit Scotland reports have come out recently in which it is a constant theme. We have also heard it from the Scottish Fiscal Commission. A frustration is building because if we are to have better government鈥擨 do not mean that in a party-political sense鈥攚e need to be able to have better scrutiny.

I am conscious of time, convener, so I will leave it there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

I have a quick question on your dilemma of how to ensure that more people use public transport as you try to rationalise the workforce. I represent Mid Scotland and Fife, and we have had a lot of problems with the train service in central Fife鈥攕pecifically, the reduction in the numbers of carriages, because of the drivers issue. How will you go about making those two difficult pieces of the jigsaw come together?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

Can I push you a little bit more? I know that you cannot make policy. However, do you think that there is evidence, perhaps from other jurisdictions, that a finance bill helps to improve the amount of time that is given to the scrutiny of the public finances?

I have heard complaints from across the political spectrum in Parliament that we are not doing enough to fully scrutinise budgets. Our committee does a huge amount of the heavy lifting on that work, for obvious reasons, and some other committees do a bit, but we are not getting the depth of scrutiny that perhaps we need. I am interested in whether you think that a finance bill might help that situation, because鈥攍et us be honest鈥攚e are standing still when it comes to the problem of transparency and we have not been able to move on.