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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I have no interests to declare.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

It did. Thank you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Tom, you have been nodding away.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I want to make a point on the Jeremy Hunt situation. A huge effort has always been made in Scotland, particularly by Governments, to make sure that, if a minister leaves the Government, space is left between them and the policy area that they handled in Government. In spite of the tight numbers, we have managed to do that in Scotland. It is perhaps a lesson that we could pass on to Westminster—the lessons go two ways.

You touched on remuneration. It might be easier for me, as someone who is leaving the Parliament, to say this, but there is a disconnect in that we have conveners who do a huge amount of extra work in the role that is not appreciated—they get no remuneration for it. It is not about the money; that is not why you become a politician. Most folk in our Parliament would earn more doing whatever they were doing before they were elected, so it is not about the money. However, if you are a committee convener, you have to do extra work but are not remunerated, whereas, if you take another path—as a junior minister, a minister or a cabinet secretary, for example—you are remunerated. Would remuneration make our committee structures more effective and give the conveners the esteem that they deserve?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Cristina, do you have any thoughts on that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

What you have said begs the question of whether we should do an inquiry into the number of ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ that are needed for a committee to be effective. That might be a question for a different inquiry.

Before I bring in Professor Leston-Bandeira on those points, I will chuck in a couple of other points that she might want to comment on. It would be good to hear whether there are other areas in which the Scottish Parliament’s system is working well that we should highlight. Could we learn lessons from other legislatures that are doing things well?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I was going to talk about something else, but, as we are discussing pre-legislative scrutiny, I will give a couple of examples of where I think that we, as a Parliament, have managed to get the balance right. The Lobbying (Scotland) Bill—I was the minister responsible at the time—was very much shaped by the committee’s work. It almost felt as though it might have been better for it to be a committee bill, but those are difficult. The Parliament managed to find a way to deal with that.

Another example of pre-legislative scrutiny that I hope will develop into a bill is the work on conversion practices. Right at the start of the parliamentary session, the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee did the work and decided that it was too complex to be a committee bill, so it asked the Government to do it. We have not got there yet, but, clearly, the challenge is in ensuring that, when that happens, all the pre-legislative scrutiny work that the committee did will not have to be redone by the Government and then redone by the committee.

That is the big challenge, which brings me to the point that I was originally going to come in on—namely, the timelines. I joined the Parliament in the third session, in 2007, and it feels to me as though, as every parliamentary session goes on, bills are taking longer. I am certain that Steven MacGregor will be able to confirm whether that is just my feeling or a fact. I think that it is a fact that, as a Parliament, we are taking longer to deal with all the bills—probably mainly at stage 1—but it would be good to hear the witnesses’ thoughts on whether that is the case.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Do you think that, if we codify it, we need to codify it specifically for certain committees? You have mentioned one that is quite public facing.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I will ask you guys to put a bit of context to where we are now and how people look at the Parliament. I will ask my first set of questions and you can answer whichever bit you want to. What is unique about the Scottish Parliament’s system, and what mechanisms affect its effectiveness? How might judgments on committees’ effectiveness be influenced by the history and political culture of Scotland?

Professor Cairney mentioned expectations of Scottish Parliament committees. How have those expectations developed? What do we expect from committees, and has that influenced how the Parliament has evolved? Dr Caygill, do you want to go first?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I am sorry just to throw this in, but would convener elections help with that as well?