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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

It would have been the responsibility of the convener to ensure that training took place, of course.

I want to ask about sponsorship. A bit of clarification might be needed here, Auditor General. The report states that the Scottish Government’s sponsorship division

“appeared to view its relationship of consequence as being with the Senior Management Team rather than the Convener.”

Earlier, you said that the sponsorship division’s relationship was with the CEO, which is slightly different. Perhaps you could clarify that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

Could we have clarification as to whether it is in fact a secondment or simply a matter of terms and conditions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

The relationship between the Scottish Government and an NDPB is kind of changed if Scottish Government staff go in and hold a position in the body—at least, it is in my mind—so clarification on that would be good.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

During the height of the pandemic, some of the private supply chains that were supplying primary care providers and social care providers fell apart, and the Scottish Government stepped in to provide the necessary PPE to care homes and so on. Has the Scottish Government ever been reimbursed for any of the PPE that was supplied to those private businesses?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

Do we know whether the providers are using their private supply chains these days, or are they still accessing PPE from the hubs?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

It would be interesting to know the extent to which the private sector is still reliant on the public sector to provide PPE.

Your briefing also states that, in the first five months of the pandemic,

“had NHS NSS been able to buy PPE at the same prices as 2019, it would have spent £37.4 million less on PPE”.

This might be a daft question, but I suppose that it has to be asked. In your opinion, could anything have been done to avoid that additional spend?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

Before I ask any specific questions, I will just say this: here we are again with an NDPB in trouble. We have had a series of examples over a number of years, and they all seem to rotate around much the same issues. The big one is governance, but there have been problems with budgeting, technology and all sorts of other things. The issue comes up time and again. Is there a fundamental problem with how NDPBs are run and monitored? Is the system broken? Should we be considering something totally different?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

The biggest problem that I see has been governance. Typically, what we have is a small organisation operating out there semi-autonomously that turns in on itself and becomes a little knitting circle that gets out of control. The question is how that can be dealt with, because the organisation is semi-autonomous. What should the Government do to bring it back in and ensure that, while the Crofting Commission or Bòrd na łŇĂ ľ±»ĺłó±ôľ±˛µ, for example, retains the autonomy that it needs to carry out its job, the necessary support and overview are in place?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

I ask Pat Kenny also to touch on whether the board members, even if they did not attend such training, would have been aware that training arrangements were in place and that they should be attending.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Colin Beattie

Therefore, given the relationship that the sponsor team had with the senior management team, would it be correct to say that the sponsor team attended meetings of the senior management team and/or the board?