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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We will have questions from Ross Greer, followed by Craig Hoy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is not all gloom and doom. In the submission, you say that, compared with OECD countries such as Germany, Canada, the Nordics, France, Spain and the USA, Scotland scored above average on transparency and public participation, and we scored highest on budget oversight, with a score of 91 versus an average of 74. There are some areas in which the Government is doing well.

However, you go on to talk about the programme for government, and we are going to have a new programme for government—not in September, obviously, but in a couple of weeks. You say:

“What is not clear is how the PfG relates to the budget and how specific changes in budget allocations reflect PfG priorities.â€

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have probably heard, then, of a Professor Mairi Spowage, who says in her submission:

“Given that around half of Scottish Government current spending is on pay, any long-term-focused document that does not have a specific view on the size of employment and rate of growth in payroll over a number of years cannot be regarded as credible.â€

What is your view of the 3 per cent figure? Is it credible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

We continue our inquiry into the Scottish budget process in practice. Today, we will take evidence from two panels of witnesses.

First, I warmly welcome to the meeting, from the Office for Budget Responsibility, Tom Josephs, who is a member of the budget responsibility committee, and Laura Gardiner, who is the acting chief of staff. We have your written submissions, so we will move straight to questions from the committee. I will start by asking about transparency.

You have said that you have

“taken several steps that aim to specifically improve transparency around our role in the Scottish Government Budget process.â€

You touch on some of those steps in your paper, but could you elaborate on those for the record, please?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Maybe the Government will produce a strategy document to bring together all the strategy documents.

David, we asked the OBR about the fact that the UK spending review will be a comprehensive, zero-based review. What are the implications of that for Scotland? Incidentally, we looked at that when we were in Estonia and we found it quite a fascinating approach. Rather than just go on the way we have always gone, let us look at things from the bottom up and at what is really essential—what should be prioritised and so on. Obviously, you know how it all hangs together, but do you think that Scotland could benefit from such an approach?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. I note that, on your website, you also have a transcript of your dealings with this committee, so members had better behave.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What can we do to try to improve things? What can we do to ensure that committees have greater influence on the Government’s budgetary deliberations? Those questions are for both of you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We really appreciate the OBR taking the time and trouble to come up to Edinburgh. It is one of the highlights of our year, so I thank you very much and we hope to see you again.

I will call a five-minute break before we hear from our next witnesses.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

For the second part of today’s evidence session on the Scottish budget, I welcome Professor Mairi Spowage, director of the Fraser of Allander Institute, and Professor David Bell, a professor of economics at the University of Stirling.

As with the previous panel, we will move straight to questions, the first of which is about your magnificent report, David. It covers so many bases that we will probably keep you here until it gets dark, which is your own fault for including so much good-quality information.

Regarding the influence and formulation of Scottish Government budget proposals, you say that

“The consensus from the responses to this inquiry is that external influence on the Scottish Government’s budget process is limitedâ€

and that

“The year-round approach is problematic, given other pressure on committees.â€

I know that you have looked into a number of committees in some detail. Based on your analysis, is that because of a lack of time, because the budget process is not a priority for those committees or because they feel that the work that they would do would not have an impact on Scottish Government policy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How can that lag be reduced? After all, 18 months is a long time in the business that you are in.