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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

The cabinet secretary mentioned the potential challenge if a trade unionist who is also a teacher is on the board. However, the reality is that a number of teachers are members of trade unions. When it comes to conflicts of interest, the amendment explicitly sets out, as I did at the start, that any interest would be declared and taken into account in the decision making.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Would the member take a short intervention?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

My apologies. Paragraphs (c)(ii) and (iii) in amendment 221 are alternatives, rather than provisions that build on each other. There is an “or” after the word “qualifications”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Your proposal in amendment 120 defines “children and young people” as

“persons under the age of 18.”

In Scots law, the rule is that, if you are under 18, you are a child. Is there not a danger that we would create a contradiction between a child and a young person and that, by doing so, we would potentially exclude either a young person and/or a child by attaching the definition of both “child” and “young person” to being under 18?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

On the concept of building partnerships, you have already given us a lot of examples of how successfully the Scottish Parliament reaches out to different groups, which is one of the things that we can be very proud of in the Parliament. There will always be more to do to give the public confidence about where they fit in, but do you have any comments about the cultural precursors that are needed for effective scrutiny? It goes back to my earlier point about committee remits. What makes a committee really work well with regard to scrutiny? In simple terms, is it the written-down procedures and the set of questions that are going to be asked or, actually, is it a cultural connection within a committee that brings it together? I know that it is not one or the other; it is a balance, but it is about where the balance lies.

Who wants to come in first? I am looking across the room—this takes me back to being a primary school teacher. [Laughter.] Excellent, Ken—I will come to you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Also, sometimes, no feedback is given to the public about why nothing happened.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is fair to say that there is evidence of that happening—certainly at Westminster—but procedures are in place that result in conveners changing. A loop of protection is in place in other Parliaments, which works, and there is confidence that there are ways of preventing the issue getting out of control. However, no one describes what the issue is—it is a bit like sausage making and laws, is it not?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I want to go back to rapporteurs and their role, because they were mentioned earlier. In other parliaments around the world, that role is far more developed than it is here. As was said, a rapporteur is, in essence, an individual who takes responsibility for looking at something in depth, beyond the time that the committee has to do such work, and then—surprise, surprise—reports back to the committee. Is the rapporteur role better suited to committees’ own inquiries or should it form part of scrutiny—or is it something that fits depending on the question that is being asked?

Cristina Leston-Bandeira, may I put that to you first? You have an awareness of the role of rapporteurs in other places.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Yes, it does, and it prompts another question. In fulfilling that role, does a rapporteur square the circle of the tension that you talked about, Ken, in that a committee that is scrutinising a bill cannot be seen to have assisted in drafting it? I am putting committee bills aside for the moment. Would that help to keep the dynamic workable and justifiable to the Scottish public?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Would that be more limited than only pre-legislative scrutiny? Or, as Cristina Leston-Bandeira pointed out, could it be used elsewhere, provided that the committee is separated from the reporter, who is always identified as such and takes a different stance in decision making?