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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I absolutely agree, and I am delighted to have it on board. As I have said, the group鈥檚 key intention is to get more people involved in rugby. The School of Hard Knocks is probably using rugby as a medium to engage more with different people who might not think about rugby in that way and to improve their lives and outcomes.

I also mentioned clan rugby, which I was not aware of before I became a member of Parliament. It tries to engage with people with disabilities鈥攚hether that is a physical disability or a learning disability鈥攊n an effort to get them involved in clubs and mixing with people without disabilities. There is a camaraderie, and its work has been key in that respect.

If the cross-party group can engage a lot more with the School of Hard Knocks and engage on the clan rugby side to get everyone working together in order to improve outcomes, that would be good.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

If the six-month period has passed, who makes the decision on whether the matter will be investigated?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

But who makes that decision?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

My next question is on openness and transparency. From reading the procedure, it seems to me that a complaint could be made and upheld but that would never be made public. Is that right? It is difficult, because we have to respect the confidentiality of the complainer and the person who is complained about, but it seems to me that there is a balance there, and I am not sure that it has been struck.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Inward secondees and agency workers are not covered by the procedure. I understand that there are reasons for that鈥攖hey are not employed by the Scottish Government鈥攂ut are there legal reasons why they cannot be covered by the procedure? Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, whether it is towards an employee or an agency worker. Is there almost a loophole being created by excluding such workers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

My next question ties into that. At the end of stage 1, if a complaint is not going to be proceeded with, will the person against whom the complaint has been made ever find out that a complaint has been made?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I want to talk a little more about the timings of complaints. It is clear from the procedure that, if a complaint is made within six months of an incident, it will be investigated. I want to ask about cases where complaints are made after that six-month period. From reading the procedure, it is not clear to me who decides whether the issue should be looked at. If it is decided that an incident will not be investigated because it has been too long since it occurred, will the appeal process kick in at that point, so that the complainer can take the issue further if they wish to do so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Fiscal Framework (Independent Report)

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I thank Ed Poole and Guto Ifan for their submission, which is really helpful. Figures 3.2 and 3.3 drew my attention. What is happening in Wales is almost a mirror image of what is happening in Scotland. You have mentioned that many risks that Scotland has are outwith our control. The decline in oil and gas has been mentioned, but I guess that there could be other factors that would draw the figures down. Is that right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Fiscal Framework (Independent Report)

Meeting date: 11 January 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That might also inform policy changes to try to stop the reduction in budget that we will receive over the next few years.