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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Paul O'Kane

The point is that the Labour Government has been in power for six months but the two-child limit existed for many years before that. We also know that the Scottish child payment came in in 2021, so my question to you is whether you asked for those powers at any point.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. I will move on to the theme of planning and administration of social security in Scotland.

The gateway review in February 2024 concluded that

“successful delivery appears feasible but significant issues ... exist requiring management attention”.

In your view, have those issues been addressed? What progress has been made?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Paul O'Kane

Finally, regarding the Deputy First Minister’s comments yesterday, is she confused about the position? She seemed to think that the powers had been asked for previously, but you are saying they had not been asked for.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Paul O'Kane

I appreciate what you are saying about the move to a steady state. We know that the main benefit that still needs to be devolved is employment injury assistance, and we have just touched on the Government’s intention to mitigate the two-child limit. We had this discussion before the Christmas break, but that decision was taken a week and a day before the budget was announced—you may want to correct me if I am wrong about that. To what extent has that decision been factored in, given the potential delay that could be caused to the closure of the programme? Was planning done prior to that decision being made? Were projections considered on the impact of the decision on the wider programme?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Paul O'Kane

I have a question about future changes. As you rightly point out, it is for any Government to decide what to do when more mainstream social security becomes devolved. I noted that the Deputy First Minister made some public comments yesterday about the two-child limit, suggesting that the reason why it had not previously been considered was that the DWP was not willing to give information.

Regarding long-term planning for social security, we have had a discussion about costs and we know that there will be structures for that. Has the cabinet secretary been planning that for some time? Has she considered the preparation of some of that? That seems to be what the Deputy First Minister was alluding to yesterday. Within that, has the cabinet secretary previously asked the DWP for those powers?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Paul O'Kane

That is helpful. The other areas that I wanted to cover have been touched on, so I will not take up any more time. I hand back to you, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Paul O'Kane

I am going to ask some questions about the adult disability payment. We have already touched on a number of different elements in that space, but I am keen to know whether Professor Roy or others can elaborate on the reasons for increased disability spending across the UK. We have heard about some of the different aspects in relation to support for children, but how well understood is the picture on the increase?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. That was a helpful answer that sets in context some of the other issues that we are discussing.

An issue that we have touched on previously is the uncertainty surrounding the unique Scottish effect on adult disability spend. You said that you think that we now have better data on that, and data that is demonstrably Scottish. I am keen to understand what patterns you think are emerging from that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Paul O'Kane

Perhaps that is something to which we will return in post-budget scrutiny.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Paul O'Kane

A number of stakeholders raised concerns that, particularly on the contact centre issue, implementation has been driven by finance and resourcing. What is the minister’s response to that? Given that he said in his opening remarks that he intends to bring in SSIs in 2025, is he content that the resourcing is appropriate?